Full transparency: I?ve worn the Targhee II for years but chose to pay a little more for the Targhee III this time in hopes that the leather won?t separate from the sole, just behind the toe box. Im glad I did, the 8 would be too large, even with my wider foot. DO NOT RECCOMEND! Once I get my permanent wardrobes installed, I would still like to use this if I have the room for it. The biggest flat would probably be the straight 3. I like them enough that I will keep them. Product quality is excellent, fits very well and looks nice on my 2016 MDX. Less redness and smoother skin. Lightweight and not as stable as I expected. I use the shoes for indoor gym work and for hiking in good weather in the summer.