They sit much closer to the roof than most roof bars3. Contacted them again, and sent photos directly to the email address I?d used initially. They are decent quality, easy to mount, look nice. I do enjoy the many different aspects of audio though. I ordered in grey and it?s that neutral shade that sorta just disappears from your vision, which is great because no shoe hanger is very sexy. these are not the eccos I remember. I do wish wheels were included as an option. las estuve buscando en Mexico y no las encontré así es que estas son muy practicas y realmente no hay tanto problema con la talla porque las ajustas, recomendable. It extends about 5" more from its width. The racks are sturdy and very stylish.