I almost exclusively wear leather Born shoes (oxfords/brogues), and no show socks are a necessity. It just keeps coming on automatically again and again. Waaaaay too much work, Ill be searching for another shoe rack. Pros:1) Theyre comfortable. Not sure if I got defective pillows or what. Ive worn a size 12 for 50 years. It was cheap, and with a few mods it seems to work OK. My old crocs have M7 W9 on the sole so in some confusion I ordered the M7 W8 originally. And when I say thin it can definitely hide under clothes COMPLETELY. Mouse arrived in plain box, which us no big deal.