These at least can pass for shoes at first glance, and with longer pants, no one looks twice. Put em back and returning. My wife has problem feet. Please see pics for reference. No brainer. With the hooks I could place them at the height I wanted. Thereafter a RRLC reference number RLxxxx was created and some information and documents were asked for, which I had furnished. The core idea behind the book isnt bad - an approaching dystopian world driven by evil corporate interests that started with good intent, but have careened off course. We bought this pair because we have experienced how well chacos hold up to years of wear and tear by many kids. YOUR MIC!